Will this RC turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in WBTS history?
I doubt it, but it would be nice for Watchtower to introduce transparency into its whole religious system. If nothing else, I think the RC will introduce changes in Australia that will force Watchtower to improve its policy on allegation of child molestation so that victims are not further victimized and predators are reported to authorities to help protect all children from them.
Marvin Shilmer
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Watershed moment???
by sparrowdown inwill this rc turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in wbts history?.
do you have any thoughts regarding this?.
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Marvin Shilmer
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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case
by Viva la Vida inthis is from conti's appeal veredict:.
monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .
very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.
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Marvin Shilmer
I will be interested in what the judge decides in Louisiana.
My guess is that no one here will care one rat's butt what a judge in Louisiana concludes about allegations of Applewhite unless she continues on working for Watchtower. Even then, and to be perfectly honest, I have experience with lawyers and courts in New Orleans and Baton Rouge, Louisiana and what comes from that area is not very helpful to me, particularly in civil matters.
The "whore" label is one that is used by the legal profession even when the testimony has nothing to do with religion.
I don't care if a lawyer uses the term. I care what I do, and when I see needless personalized demeaning I say something.
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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case
by Viva la Vida inthis is from conti's appeal veredict:.
monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .
very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.
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Marvin Shilmer
I think the reference to "prostitute" is misunderstood by you in this instance...
In Dr. Applewhite I see a woman who's not the expert I'd prefer for the work she did for Watchtower. On this forum I've seen accusations heaped upon her that insofar as I can tell are unevidenced (e.g., that she did something illegal or unethical in Louisiana, USA). Then I see her called a prostitute in relation to her work with Watchtower versus her religion of preference, which is Catholic. That's way too personal, and I don't think it's called for. I see participants piling on the wrong person, and some of it is no more than allegation.
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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case
by Viva la Vida inthis is from conti's appeal veredict:.
monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .
very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.
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Marvin Shilmer
What a prostitute, she's willing to take money and then say what ever the GB want her to say all the while the organization she's defending views her as a Catholic zombie just waiting to be destroyed at Armageddon.
I'm sorry but I find comments like that to be very sexist and needlessly demeaning. I don't think Applewhite is everything I'd expect of an expert witness, but I see no reason for comments such as this. None at all. We should take care not to become the thing we detest.
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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Marvin Shilmer
Applewhite's own letter...
Where is this letter available to read?
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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Marvin Shilmer
Marvin... point 27 and down. It clearly lays out the evidence. And clearly states Applewhite's response.
No disrespect intended, but that court filing is not evidence of anything other than a claim against Applewhite; it only represents allegations (claims) by the plaintiff. I see no evidence produced in this particular instance supporting an assertion that Applewhite was unprofessional, that she falsified reports, refused to correct false reports, or that she failed in her legal obligation to report cases of child abuse.
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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Marvin Shilmer
I am astonished that her terms of reference as a consultant for the organization were limited to reviewing what the Watchtower published in its journals and other publications ...
Me too. In particular it demonstrates astonishing preferential treatment of Watchtower's position to presume what Watchtower publishes represents general sentiment held among rank-and-file membership. Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house!!!
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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Marvin Shilmer
Marvin, this is the link to court document:...
I read all that, but I don't see evidence of falsified reports or refusal to correct reports. All I see in those documents is claims made by the plaintiff suing Applewhite. So what is the evidence that she conducted herself unprofessionally?
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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Marvin Shilmer
Her conduct was seriously unprofessional in that case, and, even when she was confronted with the evidence that she had falsified reports of abuse, she refused to correct her report. If Stewart and McClelland haven't read about that case, they should.
Is that based strictly on allegations filed with the lawsuit? Or, have you seen whatever response she made to requests to support claims alleged of her in that lawsuit?
PS: I also read the letter sent to Applewhite by the school system, but again this is their side of the story and not her response. Have you seen her response to allegations in that case?
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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse
by snare&racket ini am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
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Marvin Shilmer
Her qualifications are sorely lacking, according to the Royal Commission.
My impression is Applewhite might be pretty good at offering advice on how to improve an organization's policy in response to child abuse, but when it comes to standing up in public for a policy that has weaknesses she's not very objective about admitting those weaknesses along with her recommendations for improving them. In Watchtower's case the RC had to lead her to weaknesses in Watchtower policy and then practically drag admissions out of her that the weaknesses exist. Telling to me was how she was willing to accept what Watchtower published in its own literature as representative of how JWs in general feel. This is not objective in the least!
This gal was hired by Watchtower to do one thing: make its policy look nicy-nice to the RC. Problem is, that's not what the RC is concerned with. The RC wants to know what are the weaknesses in Watchtower policy and what is going to be done about those weaknesses. Applewhite spent her time on the stand attempting an apologia when she should have concentrated on sharing objective expertise regardless of who paid her.